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Should we abolish the apostrophe?

April 19th 2009 18:17
Have you noticed that Starbucks doesn't have an apostrophe in its name? (Did it ever?) It's odd, and technically wrong; Starbuck is a person, hence, it should be Starbuck's. Similarly, Tim Hortons is a well-known coffee chain here in Canada, and only recently I noticed that they'd quietly dropped the apostrophe from their name. (Tim Horton was an NHL hockey player.)

Tim Hortons apostrophe
It used to be called "Tim Horton's."



So what does this mean? If companies and retailers are dropping the apostrophes from their names, and there's no real outcry, will the apostrophe go the way of the dodo? Should it?

No matter which side of the apostrophe battle you're on--abolitionist or preserver--you probably have some strong feelings on the matter. The misuse--intentional or not--of the apostrophe in English is one of the most common and disputed grammar 'errors' today. It's markedly prevalent on the internet (as if you didn't know that!).

For writers who find it hard to use the apostrophe correctly--I don't, but I fully sympathise with those who do--the confusion is usually shown in its/it's errors:

1. Omitting the apostrophe in a contraction
It's such a fine day!
NOT

Its such a fine day!

2. Omitting the apostrophe for a possessive noun
This is my sister's house.
NOT
This is my sisters house.

3. Adding (hypercorrecting, possibly) the apostrophe for a possessive pronoun
My favourite cat has a spot on its chin.
NOT
My favourite cat has a spot on it's chin.

4. Adding the apostrophe for plurals
I had scrambled eggs for breakfast.
NOT
I had scrambled egg's for breakfast.

I am all for preserving the apostrophe simply because it's useful. At the same time, I'll admit that an omitted apostrophe does not, 99% of the time, render one's writing incomprehensible. Besides, when Im chatting on MSN and Im being lazy or rushed, theres the probabillity that Ill write like this. Even though I'm a grammar geek, I think that the role of the apostrophe is not as assured as the strictest grammarians might wish. Who know's knows? Maybe one day sooner than we think, apostrophes will be considered archaic.

For more on apostrophe abolition, see Kill the Apostrophe.
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Comment by Jeff Culver

April 19th 2009 20:54
I guess I don't (dont) really care to much...I just miss Tim Hortons in the morning before hockey practice...

Comment by Lady Henrietta Muddling

April 20th 2009 00:06
I lean towards being a preservist but there are certain areas where I'm indifferent. One of those is brand names.

I find if I'm not concentrating. And that happens a lot on an Orble post or comment. I'll make typos and not realise it until I read the actual post or comment. The most common one is it's/its. It's not like I don't know the difference. Thankfully Damo leaves whole words out on a regular basis. I often wonder if he does it to make me feel better.

I do like these grammar posts. I struggle mostly with :, ;, -, - etc. I'm not sure I'll ever get to the stage where I master any of them. I guess I'll leave it up to an editor.

Comment by Lilla

April 20th 2009 04:55
Hello Irene,

I love the little suckers, but I cannot use them on orble because of the firewall I have to stop orble from interrogating my machine. So I am forced to use one of these *instead*

I find it infuriating, frustrating and annoying in the extreme. I cannot use the dash key either or quotation marks and it has been an education in adapting.

Problem is now when I go onto normal emails I forget to put the apostrophes in altogether!

But I am also a bit of a traditionalist and will say that I think we should keep them.

How else will we be able to tell a brand name from real Engwish?

Lilla . .

Comment by Cheryl J

April 20th 2009 06:13
I love the apostrophe and I hate when it is used incorrectly but I wouldn't consider myself a grammar nazi. I make far too many mistakes in my own writing, I would be foolish to say I was in any way an expert which is kind of funny because I was a proof-reader for a few years.

I must admit that I have never given the name Starbucks a second thought. I have never heard of Tim Hortons as we don't have them here in Australia but I would have just assumed that the name was one that ended in an S. Like the names Jenkins, Jones, Harris etc.

Hi Lilla, what problems do you have using apostrophes on Orble? I've never had an issue. How very strange!

Comment by Lilla

April 20th 2009 06:28
Hi Cheryl,

It is odd, but then if you have lived my life, you would have come to accept odd too.

The thing is this; my husband is a computer techo and he has all these super premo firewalls and decoys running (don*t ask me, *shrug* I am almost totally illiterate when it comes to IT). So, if I access orble through the blue e (explorer) no problems, but some doughnuts or cookies or something are downloaded into my machine by orble.

My husabnd doesn*t like that.

So I access the internet through some other portal but cannot use certain keys when i do.

An apostrophe translates as this: &#8230

Three dots as this; ...

Inverted commas as this: "

and a dash as this -

Go figure?

Lilla ..


Comment by Lilla

April 20th 2009 06:31
Ooh I can't belive that it didn't put things in as they are when I'm trying to write them - so i have written this comment using the apostrophe's as I would in a regular sentence to see ... if they translate as well when they are not being made an example of?

This is unreal - like when the TV repairman comes around and suddenly the TV starts to work!

So here goes let's see how it all comes out now ... ?

Comment by Lilla

April 20th 2009 06:32
Huh, unreal!

*scratching my head*

I don't believe it, it must only be when I am posting a post then because I get a code like *&#8o27 or something like that each time i try one of these keys?

That is so wierd! I will go and check it out.

Gosh I feel like someone is messing with my head right now. . .

Comment by Cheryl J

April 20th 2009 07:20
Ha Lilla, someone has done a voodoo ritual on your machine!

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 20th 2009 13:45
i say yes, kill it off, we dont need it - chuck one in only to clear up ambiguity

Comment by Irene

April 20th 2009 15:42
Hi Jeff, I find that I can't drink Tim's coffees anymore. I don't know if they changed their formula or what but it always tastes burnt, no matter where we go. The only one that I can trust is this one near my parents' house. Oh well.

Lady Henrietta, that's the thing--even if you make typos and forget an apostrophe here and there, no one's going to be confused by what you write. That's why I, logically, think they're not THAT important...aside from the fact that I'm somewhat traditional in terms of English grammar.

Lilla and Cheryl, I see we more or less agree in that while we go along with tradition, we're not ultra-strict about it either.

Also, Lilla...could it be that I had put the HTML tag in my post? I don't know if that could have made a difference. Actually...probably not.

Morgan, I bet there'd be few chances of ambiguity. But still...I like my apostrophes.

Comment by Mau-Medellin

April 20th 2009 15:57
Let it rot I say. Language is a constant evolution, so why do we get so caught up on the rules?

Comment by Irene

April 21st 2009 14:44
Mau-Medellin, good point about language; I think it's especially true about English!

Comment by Mountain Fog

April 22nd 2009 14:04
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

If one bans the apostrophe, the English language will forever more descend into an unintelligible mess, and make it much harder for people learning it as a second language.

For example, I see a common mistake being made that requires an apostrophe to delineate two words and their meanings;

to wit;

the contraction of you are into you're and the word, your.

Many people mistakenly believe your is the contraction of you are.

Even some newspaper editors have missed that one!

I shall report this appalling, treasonous conspiracy against punctuation to Lynne Truss, whose book,
"Eats, Shoots & Leaves. The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation" is the bible of all whom regard punctuation as the very mortar that keeps our language together.

Any attempt to remove, dilute, or subjugate the hard won punctuation, that assists everyone to properly construct and understand the meaning of our sentences, is an anathema to communication and a grammatical terrorist!

In closing, without the apostrophe, how would Australia write that oft used and quoted phrase of welcome, "G'Day"? Without the humble, yet noble, apostrophe, G'Day would become mistaken as G Day, (Gee Day).

I rest my case.

fog

Comment by Mau-Medellin

April 22nd 2009 14:07
gDay Fog,

I think youRE wrong! Bugger the apostrophe!! WhatS it done for us lately? Nothing!!!

Comment by Mountain Fog

April 22nd 2009 15:34
yes Mau-Medellin,

I can see you live by your convictions, which is more than can be said of a lot of others!

However, we shall have to agree to disagree, for as English now stands, even with punctuation, in particular the apostrophe, it is hard enough to glean its meaning.

However, there is one other element that is far more vexing and dangerous, and that is, that subversive form of communication, texting!

No greater evil, no greater threat, has assaulted the sovereignty of our fair language, than that of mobile phone texting. It even surpasses emoticon chat sites in repugnance! (I accept the use of a single emoticon at the end of a sentence, as you have done, for it can illuminate the attitude and mood of the writer.)


cheers

fog

Comment by Mau-Medellin

April 22nd 2009 16:20
If I could figure out how to get MOOOOOORE emoticons on this site, I would certainly be flooding my comments with smiles, grins, winks, frowns, eye rolls, laughs, blushing and much more hehe

On the apostrophe front, agreed! to disagreeing

L8rs

Mau-Medellin

Comment by Irene

April 23rd 2009 17:53
I don't mind text-speak as long as it is confined to the realms of texting, emails, web chats, and so forth. Otherwise, it is extremely annoying and makes me think that the writer is illiterate.

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